The Advice That Didn’t Work for Us (And What We Do Instead)

Not all business advice is created equal — especially when you’re a mum, caregiver, neurodivergent, chronically ill, or simply living real life.

In this honest and deeply relatable episode of The Creative Juggle Joy, Kaylie (creative toddler mum + digital strategist in North Wales) and Delores (artist + digital educator + grandma in Manitoba) unpack the advice that totally didn’t work for them — and why it may not be working for you either.

From hustle culture, toxic productivity, and the pressure to “just show up on video,” to mindset myths and rigid morning routines, we explore what we’ve had to unlearn — and the more sustainable strategies we’ve swapped in instead.

Whether you’re juggling art, teaching, digital products, or just trying to stay afloat, this episode is your permission slip to do business differently.

✨ Topics we cover:
• Why hustle culture hits women and caregivers differently
• The "mindset" myth (and what really holds creatives back)
• Alternative ways to show up without video overload
• Ageism, imposter syndrome, and starting late
• Why niching down isn’t always the magic solution
• Morning routines that don’t work for toddler life
• How to embrace your own energy + rhythm in business

Mentioned in this episode:
 🎧 Listen to last week’s solo: Episode 33 – Creativity in the Chaos: Overcoming Shiny Object Syndrome
 

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Transcript

Kaylie Edwards (00:05)

Hey lovely listeners, welcome back to the Creative Juggle Joy podcast. I'm Kaylie your creative business mentor, digital strategist and course creator, and also a toddler mum over here in North Wales.

Delores Naskrent (00:17)

And I'm Delores digital art educator, artist, grandma, and former high school teacher coming to you from kind of chilly Manitoba. Today we're going to dig into some well-meaning business advice that just didn't work for us and probably isn't working for a lot of other women, mums, caregivers, or creatives.

people like me started, well, I started earlier, but like at this point in my life, I'm a little bit older and I have all kinds of stuff going on just like you do, Kaylie

Kaylie Edwards (00:50)

Yes, we're not here,

we're not here to throw shade, but we are here to be honest about what's held us back, what we've had to unlearn and what we're doing differently now and what doesn't plainly work for some people in our situations or similar.

Delores Naskrent (01:08)

Yeah.

Kaylie Edwards (01:09)

Part one, the hustle culture hangover is one. ⁓ hustle culture, I tried to do hashtag all the things right after having a baby. Trying to come up with content and post daily, trying to follow strict content routine, staying up too late, trying to keep up, trying to create as many products as possible. And every time I couldn't keep up, the guilt hits hard.

I felt like I was failing or falling behind, letting myself and my family down and eventually I realised slow doesn't mean being stuck. It means sustainable. I won't pretend I still have it together because I am still working it out, especially this year it's just been one after another domino effect. And sometimes there are times when I am just getting everything together and think I have it all together and bam, life happens again and I'm back to square one.

Delores Naskrent (01:56)

Yeah.

Kaylie Edwards (02:07)

because I've got a toddler and it changes, you know? From baby to crawling to walking to him having tantrums, there's been so many different transitions and it's hard. And...

Delores Naskrent (02:11)

Yeah.

You

know, I don't think it was built for us. Like this hustle structure was not built for people like us. Like for me, in my 40s, when I became a single mom and I had to juggle my family and full-time teaching, and I started my side hustle, which was selling at craft fairs and manufacturing my own products.

Kaylie Edwards (02:26)

No.

Delores Naskrent (02:47)

I felt like all the business advice assumed that I had endless hours and zero responsibilities. you know, creative energy, my creative energy needed space. It took me years to learn that moving steadily, not quickly, was my version of success. And, you know, I have the benefit of looking back at that right now. You're right in the middle of it right now, but I'm looking back at it.

and really sometimes it only happens after the fact. You look back and you see it, you know?

Kaylie Edwards (03:21)

Yeah, yeah. That's definitely one thing, yeah, that doesn't work for some. And you've got to remember is it's not being sexist, but women and men are different. And I know there's people going to be arguing with me on that fact, but we are different and there is studies on it that women and men's brains work differently. We work in a different way.

Delores Naskrent (03:36)

Yeah.

Kaylie Edwards (03:50)

And a lot of the business culture has been created by men and how they work and how they have routines. And at the end of the day, we're very much caregivers for women and it doesn't work for our life. It's not built around our life and that business advice sometimes just does not work. And we have to find a different way.

And so let's bust this myth right here. You do not need to hustle harder to be worthy. You need a pace that works for for you and your life and your circumstances. You may be in a different season to where you, were a year ago and it doesn't work. So that's one. And then part two, it's just mindset trap. I'll give that to you Delores.

Delores Naskrent (04:38)

Okay, have you ever heard the phrase, it's your mindset holding you back? Have you heard that one? Like it can be, I hate that one so much. It can be so dismissive because for a lot of us, it's not our mindset. It could be time poverty, like literally time poverty. You are, your time is completely filled.

Kaylie Edwards (04:45)

Yeah.

Delores Naskrent (05:00)

It can be, I'm thinking back to when I was fighting cancer and I think back to when my husband was fighting cancer. So it could be health related, it could be caregiving. It could be your age. Like that is a big factor and right now my community and my followers, it's part of what has changed in our life. We are different now that we're older. It could be...

Neurodivergence, could be health issues, it could be fatigue. I do believe in mindset work, but it really has to be paired with realistic support, with community, and with really thinking things through and having a strategy.

Kaylie Edwards (05:45)

Yes, absolutely. And like I am all for mindset work. Like I am very much trying to do that myself and it is a process and things change and you will always hit mindset blocks and you need to overcome them. But it is not just about that. There were times during my pregnancy and now in toddlerhood where I felt and do still feel like sometimes it's my fault and I couldn't, that I just can't keep up.

And I know it's not true, but when you're hearing you just have to believe in yourself. While running on two hours of sleep that doesn't feel very helpful. I am learning to balance mindset with planning and grace and the...it just happens. Shit happens, I'm sorry, but shit happens and life will throw crap at you and you have to deal with it.

Delores Naskrent (06:36)

Yeah.

Kaylie Edwards (06:42)

and you can't just drop everything in your personal life to do work.

And yeah, sometimes your success suffers and... but progress will happen if you take small steps and just get back to it when you can. And that my life needs to look more like a blended smoothie rather than a perfect balancing act. No, I got the blended life from a... from the product boss, I think it was. There's a brand called the product boss and I got that from her from a recent thing and I was like, that's just perfect. It just sums up life.

Delores Naskrent (07:09)

you

Yeah, mindset does matter. I totally get that, but it's not the magic wand. know, your circumstances really matter too. And God knows things aren't a hundred percent predictable all the time. I remember one craft sale season, you're not going to believe this one, when I went out to my shop to cut a couple of pieces of MDF, because I was doing plaque mounted artwork at the time. So I was doing my own artwork.

Kaylie Edwards (07:39)

yeah.

Delores Naskrent (07:41)

And probably because my mom, like I wasn't fully present with what I was doing. So I was probably thinking of all the million of other things I was trying to get done before the sale, probably that weekend. But I just made a mistake and the piece of wood shot right back at me and it broke my arm. So.

Kaylie Edwards (08:00)

yeah, you've

told me about this one, yeah.

Delores Naskrent (08:01)

my God,

and we were in the middle of show season. Like literally that weekend we had a show and I had to go like straight into the urgent care and get a cast put on my arm. And it wasn't like I could then sleep all the next day. I was also working full time as a teacher. You cannot plan for those things. Talk about needing to pivot.

Kaylie Edwards (08:23)

No, you can't.

Yes, yeah. It's like I'm listening to like some, I've listened to podcasts and some audiobooks on mindset and yes, I do have blocks and yes, I do need to work on them. But there's also circumstances I can't change, like my partner getting sick, my toddler getting sick last week and for a whole week I was literally just dealing with sick and laundry and I was just in the midst of it and...

Delores Naskrent (08:52)

Hello?

Kaylie Edwards (08:55)

contemplating my sanity. And yes, part of it is mindset but it's also like, in that moment you can't change that. I can't work on my business while that's all going on and that's just the reality of it. So yeah, that's another one we have to kind of, as parents, as mothers, as you know, as women and creatives that sometimes we have to...

look at these and go okay is it actually that or is it something else? And then the other one is just show up online. Let's talk about the pressure to be on video 24 seven or even on social media 24 seven. As a mum I often feel like I should be showing up with reels, live stories even when I was sick, exhausted or had a toddler cling to my leg which she seems to have been doing a lot this recently.

Delores Naskrent (09:34)

Yeah.

Kaylie Edwards (09:55)

trying to stop me going out the gate and what have you. It took, it takes a while but I found what works for me, sometimes voiceover reels, still images, posts with that, with thoughtful captions and I still am not consistent with that right now. I don't have to be constantly on camera to connect. There are plenty of people that doing the same thing and I am...

Delores Naskrent (10:17)

Yeah.

Kaylie Edwards (10:22)

working other strategies into my business where I'm not having to show up online all the time and on social media consistently. Yes, I do need to do that, but you have to realize that sometimes your time doesn't allow for that or your circumstances don't allow for it.

Delores Naskrent (10:38)

Yeah, I've heard that so much and I've been told that video is the only way to grow online. But I, you know, it's just not me. I'm not super comfortable doing that kind of stuff. And I think that I feel, I don't know if it's just a bit of a bias, but I feel...

like I'm invisible right now in a youth dominated platform. know, I like for me, it works more to be teaching, be writing blog posts, to be creating audio and doing slow content. And that's okay. I mean, you don't have to force yourself into someone else's content box.

Kaylie Edwards (11:21)

No, exactly. And there are so many ways to be visible without being on camera 24-7. There are... I've seen a lot of it recently where there's people doing faceless YouTube channels and they are getting thousands of subscribers a day. And I just think, well, you know what? If that can happen for some people, yes, obviously it won't work for everybody. And yes, you still need to be authentic. You still need to be showing up for your audience as well.

But I think as long as you have your picture and you are connecting with them and you're hitting the messaging correctly, you don't need to be showing up 24 seven on camera and you can find other ways to do it.

Delores Naskrent (11:51)

Yeah.

Kaylie Edwards (12:05)

Another one, you're too late or you or you should have started sooner.

Delores Naskrent (12:10)

Yes, I know. This one's really personal. As you know, I worked as a graphic designer all of my adult life. And I started my digital art and art licensing business in my 50s, if you can believe it, in my 50s. And I've definitely felt, think, maybe it's me, but it's like subtle ageism, you know, like that attitude and the assumption that tech or online business isn't

Kaylie Edwards (12:24)

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Delores Naskrent (12:40)

for me. And here's the truth, older creatives bring incredible life experience. I've been working with software programs since they hit the market, like in the 1980s. I have...

decades more experience than some people who are just kind of breaking through, breaking into the scene right now. I think that what I offer is incredible life experience and clarity and storytelling depth, you know? We're not late. We're not late at all. We're just, we're just seasoned.

Kaylie Edwards (13:12)

Yeah.

Yeah, I guess I love our conversations because I can have a conversation with you because you've got that life experience. Whereas like, I'm not going to mention names, but there's a couple of people in my circle that I obviously, they're in my circle, but they do nothing. They do nothing with their life. So it's very difficult to talk to them.

They're older, but they don't have they don't have much to talk or I don't know what to talk to them about so I think sometimes you can bring such value and Sometimes people don't listen but I think a lot of people are opening to listen to people that are older obviously because it's kind of that but I felt the flip side of it as well like I had to catch up with everyone else whilst raising my tiny human or that

Delores Naskrent (13:49)

Yeah.

Yeah.

Kaylie Edwards (14:11)

I have the imposter syndrome, whereas maybe I don't have enough experience. So I have that as well, where I feel like sometimes I don't have the experience, or who am I to actually be teaching this? Whereas I do have that experience from other places. And like, I know about marketing. I've taught myself about marketing. have, yeah, I've laughed. I do very much a lot of learning, a lot of research, and I look what's right and what's going on.

what's working for everybody else and I know how to translate that into a course. So yes, I might not do a handmade business anymore, but I have done a handmade business. I know the struggles, I know the challenges, I know what I had to go through and yes, I had to pivot and change. But now I am actually doing digital products. I am doing scalable income streams. So I know what I'm talking about, but sometimes that mindset will creep up on me and I'll just like, do I really know what I'm talking about here?

Delores Naskrent (15:08)

I think you're in perfect position honestly. Personally, if looking back and if I could go and talk to myself at your age, I would be saying just start. Don't be scared. Just go for it because

I wish that I had started sooner. I didn't really know about art licensing. Here I was teaching a graphic design course and I'd been teaching for 30 years and I didn't learn about art licensing until it literally fell into my lap.

That's when I started to learn more about it. And so I wish that I had learned more about it and done exactly what you said, research and figuring things out. Of course, we didn't have the internet quite as active back then to find out anything about art licensing. But now that it's out there, I...

my recommendation to anybody no matter what age is to just get started and the more the more you put yourself out there the better it's going to be so let's break this myth for good there's no such thing as too late and there's no such thing as what's the word i want to use for it it's like there there is no perfect time there is no specific time that's perfect to do this just start

Kaylie Edwards (16:23)

No.

Yeah, that's where I've realised there's no one right timeline and there's only your timeline that can work for you.

So, bad advice we've heard or advice that hasn't fitted us as well that we haven't talked about. So let's talk about niching down. I do talk about this and it's because that is advice. It's not totally wrong, but it's loaded. I've pivoted a few times now, made niche adjustments, changed my messaging, rebranded.

Delores Naskrent (16:40)

You

Yeah.

Kaylie Edwards (17:04)

and all of it was part of the process. Your niche can and should evolve as you gain experience, follow your passions, adapt to life and industry changes, evolve your products, your offers, evolve your audience, you may have more than one. And some people thrive with broad niches like women in business because they deeply understand what those women want and know how to communicate it clearly. Whereas I struggled with that.

when I first started my new business. So really it's not about boxing yourself in, it's about clarity, not restriction and messaging is what matters. And yes, if you try to speak to everyone, you do end up speaking to no one. So that is true, but you can be multi-passionate and strategic. There's so much bro marketing out there that doesn't take any of this into account. And I've had advice pushed at me by mentors, both men and women.

that just didn't fit and sometimes knowing better, I've repeated that advice myself to others. But we're all learning and I can at least hold my hands up and say, I have said that sometimes because I've regurgitated it from somebody else thinking it was correct and then realizing later down the line, actually, no, this doesn't work for me. It's not gonna work for some other people as well.

Yes, it does work for some, but it doesn't always work for others. And you need to at least be able to acknowledge that advice that it might not work. And it is a big experiment when it comes to marketing.

Delores Naskrent (18:43)

Yeah, when I first entered the field, the advice everyone seemed to swear by is that if you just worked hard enough and you built a strong portfolio, success would follow. While hard work and a good portfolio are important, I have learned that in a constantly evolving industry, this just isn't enough.

Kaylie Edwards (18:55)

Yeah.

Delores Naskrent (19:06)

The creative world in general isn't static, you know? So trends and tools and client expectations shift so much that talent alone won't carry you forward. I know so many talented artists and some of them have just never gotten anywhere with it. And it's, I don't know why it's tragic, honestly. So that was one. Another piece of outdated advice I often heard was just specialize.

Kaylie Edwards (19:34)

hehe

Delores Naskrent (19:35)

Focus on one thing and master it. Well, this might have been true decades ago. I remember my graphic design teacher, he, for three years, all he did was illustrate shoes. It was the thought of it. I can't even, can you imagine that? Every day, you're illustrating a pair of shoes because at the time there was no photography and they were literally painting the styles like wash.

Kaylie Edwards (19:49)

Hahaha

⁓

Delores Naskrent (20:03)

good wash drawings of the shoes. Three years though, can you imagine? And now it's just different. It's just not like that. know, clients want creators who can wear multiple hats. One day graphic design, next day social media strategy. And I think you just need to be adaptable and explore new skills. That's more important for me than sticking like really rigidly to one path. And I think it has served me well in my business.

Kaylie Edwards (20:12)

Yeah.

Yes.

Delores Naskrent (20:32)

When I was younger, like this is one of the things that I, gosh, I just wish I could go back and hit the undo button on this one, but I was told early on, just leave the business side to others. And that's advice I regret following for way too long, because understanding how to market yourself and negotiate contracts and set boundaries and price your work is

It's really critical. mean, that's I've had to learn all of that stuff in order to make this creative business a business that can be sustained.

Kaylie Edwards (21:03)

Yeah.

Yeah, knowing about it is crucial. Like, unfortunately they don't teach it in school and that is such a...

Delores Naskrent (21:13)

yet.

Kaylie Edwards (21:18)

I can't even think of the word. A misuse of power for the government to do because they know that if you don't have that it's gonna be so much harder for people to set up businesses and yeah they may think that that's actually yeah we do want more businesses more economy and all that but they don't want so many people learning how to actually do business from the get-go they don't want that because it will...

Delores Naskrent (21:23)

Yeah.

you

Kaylie Edwards (21:48)

They will see it as the economy will just, yeah, let's go. I'm not, fair reminder, I'm not a political or anything like that. So yeah, but that is how, you know, it's how it's set up. It's set up for corporations and things to really nail it. They want the small person doing the small person jobs.

Delores Naskrent (21:52)

I can't think.

Yeah. Yeah.

Kaylie Edwards (22:10)

And marketing is crucial. It is crucial for you to market your business. So if you really don't want to do it and you really just want to do the creating, I'm sorry, then business is not for you and you will not sell. So you will need to learn it. You can't just pass it off to somebody.

Delores Naskrent (22:29)

Either be that

or have somebody that you partner up with that can do that end of it for you, but

Kaylie Edwards (22:34)

Hmm. Yeah.

But you do need to know the ins and outs of it. The basics at least, because otherwise... Because at the end of the day, if that person that you've then partnered with disappears, you then don't have that fallback. Yes, you could get somebody else in, but if you don't know what you want and how you want to market then they can't do that for you.

Delores Naskrent (22:39)

Absolutely.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Kaylie Edwards (23:01)

Because if you bring somebody new in and they don't understand it, then it will be very hard to translate that into marketing that will work for your business.

And then there's the morning routine myth. I am not a morning person. I live with a toddler and a partner who finishes night shifts just after 7am in the morning. So mornings, they're chaos. His tea time is breakfast here. So like he'll come in at 7am in the morning, he will go for a shower and he'll come down and then he'll want his dinner or tea, his tea.

Delores Naskrent (23:15)

yes, morning routine.

Kaylie Edwards (23:40)

his tea and he'll take it to bed and then he'll go to bed. So he's then in bed till like five in the afternoon. And then he's getting up, having his breakfast and going to work. So our life is... I'm trying to explain to a toddler, yeah, why is daddy going, you know... Yes, it doesn't work for some people's lives. And even before I had a toddler...

Delores Naskrent (23:51)

So much.

Kaylie Edwards (24:08)

mornings was is is not my thing. Like I've never been the one that loved getting up early in the morning. I hated it and I still have to get up with an alarm. Well I say that my cats wake me up before my alarm usually. So yeah they're chaos and sometimes I work after bedtime, I'm too fried so as Delores can attest to that like...

She'll be talking to me and I'll be like, understand what the hell we're trying to do. Sometimes my toddler doesn't go down or he wakes up again crying before I go to bed. So that for me is real life and I've definitely had those stretches where personal life takes priority and I fall behind on work and that is a season at the moment that I seem to be in or period I'm in. And I've questioned it if I should keep going, if I can keep going but deep down I know I can.

Delores Naskrent (24:38)

You

Kaylie Edwards (25:03)

and know I'm making a difference even when life pushes me back a bit.

Delores Naskrent (25:08)

Don't you dare quit. What would I do without you? ⁓ but I really get it. I do get it. For me, I am a morning person. I get up early. I feel full of energy in the morning and by about three o'clock in the afternoon, my eyes are drooping. So I know we're the opposites. We're literally the opposites. But I think that for us, you know, we just have to do what works for us. And, you know, days like

Kaylie Edwards (25:11)

I know.

I wish I was like that.

Delores Naskrent (25:36)

this some days, Wednesdays my husband works until 8 p.m. so it's a great time for me to be recording doing like this doing our podcaster for me to be recording classes and also he works Saturdays so that's also a good time for me so I just make it work and you make it work we do the best we can and that's all we can do.

Kaylie Edwards (25:54)

Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. That's just how it is.

Delores Naskrent (25:58)

And

you know what's a big distraction for me is the internet. As amazing as it is, it can add pressure too. There are like, I don't know, have you noticed it lately, but it just seems like every day there's something new in my inbox and it's like that shiny object syndrome, you know, it's just like, ⁓ I mean, that sounds so good. Like I should do that.

Kaylie Edwards (26:05)

Hahaha!

So true.

Mm-hmm.

Delores Naskrent (26:26)

then I get people saying to me, I'm doing this and it's so great, know, that I want to jump on board that. I mean, like, it's so easy to get distracted. And especially if you are, you know, like, like we are, multi-passionate. I feel like I'm supposed to focus on one thing. And I just finished reading The One Thing, the book called The One Thing. And like, I see the logic in it, but it just, can't see how it could work for me.

Kaylie Edwards (26:40)

Mm.

Does it work for us?

Delores Naskrent (26:56)

I don't know how I can do it. I'm trying so hard. I'm trying to do my annual planning. We were just laughing about this before this podcast is that I've been trying to do annual planning since before I left for Florida, which means it was in November and here it is April. And I still haven't done my whole like my real like nailed that. just haven't. I don't know.

Kaylie Edwards (27:10)

You

Yeah, mine's changed, so...

Delores Naskrent (27:25)

Well, one of the biggest lessons I think is that early in my career, I was conditioned to never say no. And it was all about keeping clients happy at all costs, getting underpaid, working impossible deadlines, putting my own ideas on the back burner. And over time, I realized that, you know, like, really, I couldn't run the business now without doing this is that

setting limits isn't unprofessional. It's actually necessary for, and I think that's what that the book, the one thing was to really give it clarity. It's necessary, really necessary for the longevity and for building respect as a collaborator and not just to take orders. I mean, we have to...

Kaylie Edwards (27:54)

No.

Mm-hmm.

Delores Naskrent (28:13)

compartmentalize to a certain degree so that we aren't jumping off and doing all kinds of other things and getting the things done that we need to get done in order to run our businesses.

Kaylie Edwards (28:25)

Yes, yeah. And I still struggle with it now. Like obviously I've got client demands yourself and I've got my own business to do and then I've got toddler life I'm going through. and the partner sometimes says something and it's just like I really couldn't, I really, really did not want to hear that right now. It's not, not the right thing to be saying to me right now. So there is times.

when my mind wants to tell people to f off. So yes, my brain does not compute. I've had to learn that about myself the hard way, that if I'm forced to work on just one big project, especially one that feels more logical than creative, I get bored, I get distracted and I abandon it. Having a few things on the go that I can rotate between keeps my brain engaged.

Sure, I might not finish things as quickly or yeah, maybe I'd be more successful if I was focused harder on just one thing and getting that done, but that's not how I'm wired, unfortunately. That's just that and that's okay. I've stopped chasing someone else's blueprint and instead I build around my energy and my capacity. And yes, I still have my doubts sometimes, but I know I can work it through and eventually I will crack it.

Delores Naskrent (29:54)

Yeah, right now I'm focusing on sustainability, know, support and right now I'm really focusing on that progress over perfection.

And I give myself permission to do the things in my own rhythm at this point. So I agree. I think I need several projects going and I need to be able to switch from one thing to another. And I mean, we adapt advice to our seasons in life, our values, our life in general, know, what's happening in our lives, what's happening with the people in our lives. And I think that's what makes it work for me anyways.

Kaylie Edwards (30:32)

Yeah, yeah, we have to just adapt how we feel and how what's going on in our lives because it doesn't always work. Like I've had to kind of, people say about batching and creating like set times for things and I can't do that. It doesn't work for me or my life. Like I have a toddler at home that I have to work around and he will just come over and close my laptop.

Delores Naskrent (31:00)

you

Kaylie Edwards (31:00)

because he wants me to play with him or he wants

my attention. I can't just sit and focus for two hours and do something. So I have to wait in the times that he goes to bed and sometimes that still doesn't work for me. And mornings, like I will try to get some morning work done, but sometimes it doesn't work because he's in his, I don't know, he's in a bad mood. He woke up on the wrong side of the cot or something.

Delores Naskrent (31:07)

right.

Yeah.

Kaylie Edwards (31:27)

And yeah, my brain just doesn't work. Sometimes we've working on one project the whole time and trying to finish that. So I will do it where I know, all right, yes, it's not completely wrote down, but I will have it set somewhere that this is what I will be working on. I'll work on Delores's stuff in the morning or I will work on it in the evening. I'll record when Aston's in bed at night, And then I will edit in the morning.

And that's kind of how I have to work. I do different things at different times. And I just have to work it that way. Sometimes it doesn't work, sometimes it does.

So yeah, so if this episode resonated, please share it with your creative friends who may also feel discouraged or overwhelmed by all the one size fits all advice out there at the moment.

Delores Naskrent (32:17)

Yeah, I'd love to hear your stories about bad advice. Like if you've got something that somebody has said, come share it with us on threads or Instagram or even email. Maybe we'll even feature your insights in a future episode. We're always looking for ideas. We're always writing things down, things we'd like to do in the future. Even class ideas, if you ever have anything like that, definitely pass it on. I'd love to hear.

Kaylie Edwards (32:34)

Yeah.

Delores Naskrent (32:44)

I'm in recording mode right now, so just throw the ideas at me and if I can do them, I will. Meantime, keep creating, keep juggling, and most importantly, keep finding the joy in the process.